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Post by rogueslayer on Sept 9, 2008 18:55:35 GMT -5
I prefer my zombies working on instinct thank you very much.
While I don't mind them getting smater, I do think Romero should have slowed the processe down alittle.
In Day they showed Bub, he was great and it was a slow
proccess to show the zombies could develop some working
development in the smarts department.
Land I don't know, it seemed to fast, too rushed that these
zombies are getting smart. If they had done a movie showing
the slow process maybe people would have warmed up to the idea more.
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Post by Doctor Tongue on Sept 9, 2008 19:10:38 GMT -5
Some people say land was 3 years after Day, so it would make total sense. They need a film between day and land.
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Post by tannerboyle on Sept 9, 2008 21:06:57 GMT -5
It's a dumb idea.
So much for "these creatures are nothing more than pure, motorized, instinct".
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Post by blackknight273 on Sept 10, 2008 0:07:04 GMT -5
I kind of liked Romeros idea with Bub but it was taken way too far with Big Daddy. Bub was essentially a big dumb dog that would still bite you in the ass if he had the chance. Big Daddy seemed at the end like he was going to start the zombie version of the SALT talks with the humans.
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Post by Doctor Tongue on Sept 10, 2008 12:22:51 GMT -5
Day and Land are to far apart, so an inbetween is what I want most of all.
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Post by The Dead Walk! on Sept 10, 2008 16:51:35 GMT -5
It's a dumb idea. So much for "these creatures are nothing more than pure, motorized, instinct". While I agree with it being sort of a dumb idea (I wouldn't say dumb, but undesirable), it's worth saying that when in DAWN they say "pure, motorized instinct", they didn't have a damn clue as to what was going on yet, as it had only been a few days or whatever. It's perfectly reasonable to assume that they didn't know what the zeds were capable of in that very early stage of the game. |
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Post by Flyboy on Sept 10, 2008 19:51:25 GMT -5
I don't mind the idea when it comes to Bub but I think it should've stopped with him & some of the things he remembered how to do.
Big Daddy was incredibly dumb. The whole "commanding zombies with grunts" idea was one of the lamest things I've seen in a movie. I still loved Land but stuff like that just made me laugh...in addition to the poor CGI effects.
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Post by tannerboyle on Sept 10, 2008 22:04:49 GMT -5
It's a dumb idea. So much for "these creatures are nothing more than pure, motorized, instinct". While I agree with it being sort of a dumb idea (I wouldn't say dumb, but undesirable), it's worth saying that when in DAWN they say "pure, motorized instinct", they didn't have a damn clue as to what was going on yet, as it had only been a few days or whatever. It's perfectly reasonable to assume that they didn't know what the zeds were capable of in that very early stage of the game. I still think it's dumb. I think that GAR looked at what was going on with zombies at that point, and said, "Nobody thinks the old shit is scary anymore. I've gotta think of some way to improve on the shamblers." But, he didn't want to follow the trend that everybody else was going with, and went with more intelligence than speed with his ghouls. And look at what we got--Land. |
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Post by The Dead Walk! on Sept 10, 2008 22:24:35 GMT -5
That's all fine and dandy, but it has nothing to do with my response to your post.
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Post by tannerboyle on Sept 11, 2008 0:58:22 GMT -5
The point of a message board is to converse, isn't it?
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Post by The Dead Walk! on Sept 11, 2008 10:24:22 GMT -5
Yes, you're very much right.
All I was saying is that I tried to offer a reasonable explanation to your "so much for pure, motorized instinct" remark, and then you ignored it altogether.
It's not like it's a huge deal or anything, I was just saying.
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Post by tannerboyle on Sept 11, 2008 12:09:37 GMT -5
And I countered it with a reasonable explanation as to how that phenomenon came into existance.
It looks to me like it had more to do with personal pride than it did creativity.
GAR is a film maker with considerable pride, and a huge ego. Just like Savini. Although GAR is a better person about it, and isn't prone to shove his shit down anybody's throat the way Savini is.
GAR is also a man who wants to seem smart, and believes in his own hype. That's why, if you look at NOTLD and Dawn, there's actually no message there--they're both fun flicks aimed at the grindhouse crowd. He listened to the whole "social commentary" angle after Dawn, and look what he's given us since--a lot of preachy philosophy.
Ever notice that most fans hold Dawn in high regard, and consider his post-Dawn work inferior? That's why.
Anyways...he saw what was happening in zombies. It had become obvious that audiences weren't scared by shamblers anymore. But, he didn't want to follow the trend of other film makers.
It's kind of like how he says that NOTLD is a rip-off of Matheson's "I Am Legend", when anyone with eyes can see that it's actually a rip-off of the first film adaptation, LMOE...almost to the point where he ripped off actual shots.
So, he decided to take Bub to the next level, and make his zombies smarter rather than faster. And, it backfired.
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Post by tannerboyle on Sept 11, 2008 12:14:31 GMT -5
It's a dumb idea. So much for "these creatures are nothing more than pure, motorized, instinct". While I agree with it being sort of a dumb idea (I wouldn't say dumb, but undesirable), it's worth saying that when in DAWN they say "pure, motorized instinct", they didn't have a damn clue as to what was going on yet, as it had only been a few days or whatever. It's perfectly reasonable to assume that they didn't know what the zeds were capable of in that very early stage of the game. Here's a more direct answer to that-- Day is set months, if not years, into the phenomenon. Dr Logan says, "These creatures are running on instinct...deep, dark primordial instinct." I think there's a huge difference between instinct and reflex action and actual thinking. But, given the fact that GAR's films are notoriously lacking on anything resembling research, I doubt that GAR knows the difference. Or that he cares--he knows his legion of fanboys will blow him for it, regardless. ;D |
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Post by Doctor Tongue on Sept 11, 2008 12:41:27 GMT -5
Remember they are just films, realism isnt everything. I would rather have enjoyment then realism.
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Post by The Dead Walk! on Sept 11, 2008 13:04:02 GMT -5
And I countered it with a reasonable explanation as to how that phenomenon came into existance. It looks to me like it had more to do with personal pride than it did creativity. GAR is a film maker with considerable pride, and a huge ego. Just like Savini. Although GAR is a better person about it, and isn't prone to shove his shit down anybody's throat the way Savini is. GAR is also a man who wants to seem smart, and believes in his own hype. That's why, if you look at NOTLD and Dawn, there's actually no message there--they're both fun flicks aimed at the grindhouse crowd. He listened to the whole "social commentary" angle after Dawn, and look what he's given us since--a lot of preachy philosophy. Ever notice that most fans hold Dawn in high regard, and consider his post-Dawn work inferior? That's why. Anyways...he saw what was happening in zombies. It had become obvious that audiences weren't scared by shamblers anymore. But, he didn't want to follow the trend of other film makers. It's kind of like how he says that NOTLD is a rip-off of Matheson's "I Am Legend", when anyone with eyes can see that it's actually a rip-off of the first film adaptation, LMOE...almost to the point where he ripped off actual shots. So, he decided to take Bub to the next level, and make his zombies smarter rather than faster. And, it backfired. That's an interesting "theory". Why oh why must you speak in absolutes? You want to talk ego, check yours man... you say everything as if it were impossible to be wrong. |
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