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Post by Flesh Eater on Sept 29, 2010 18:47:24 GMT -5
In a special feature on the Survival 2 disc set, George "states" that Diary and Survival take place before Land, and that Land follows those two films. So now I interpret this as there being two parallel timelines that converge in Land. Attached is a diagram that I threw together. Thoughts? Attachments:
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Post by The Dead Walk! on Sept 29, 2010 19:06:23 GMT -5
Interesting timeline, and definitely possible.
I, however, don't like merging his newer Dead films into the established timeline. Diary and Survival don't belong with the other films... not just because they're not as good, but because stylistically they don't blend at all. I mean I can't honestly assume the events in Night took place at the same time as those in Diary... although I am well aware they both take place the first night. They're just obviously from different time periods and that overrides anything else to me.
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Post by Flesh Eater on Sept 29, 2010 19:13:26 GMT -5
I think they are from different times as well.
Night, Dawn and Day took place long before Diary and Survival. But in a parallel timeline, before Land, Diary and Survival take place and the Land happens. Diary/Survival is on a different time plane than Night/Dawn/Day, but then the two storylines converge at Land.
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Post by Flesh Eater on Sept 29, 2010 19:27:14 GMT -5
Hope this crappy diagram helps clarify that I think they are different times and different 'universes' as well. Attachments:
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Post by The Dead Walk! on Sept 29, 2010 22:17:52 GMT -5
Yes, I can agree much more with your second diagram. Very well done!
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Post by jka12002 on Sept 30, 2010 1:04:23 GMT -5
1.Night
2.Day II
3. Dawn
4. Day
5. Diary
6. Surivial
7. Land
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Post by The Dead Walk! on Sept 30, 2010 1:07:44 GMT -5
Why is Day 2 listed?
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Post by Flesh Eater on Sept 30, 2010 5:33:41 GMT -5
You should check out the special features on Survival. George can explain it a lot more than I can. He also talks a lot about his use of CGI compared to practical effects.
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Post by captainrhodes on Oct 8, 2010 14:49:40 GMT -5
I found this on imdb a while back if its any use,its a few years old.....
APRIL, Z-DAY
Time frames based on conversations between characters in NIGHT and situations in LAND.
NIGHT takes place on day 1. This means Romero's Z-day takes place in April. This is known because of dialogue referencing the spring time change.
Barbara: They ought to make the day the time changes the first day of Summer. Well, its 8 oclock and its still light.
Johnny: Lot of good the extra dalight does us.
Johnny: There's no one around
Barbara: Well, its late. If you had gotten up earlier
Johnny: I already lost an hour's sleep with the time change
At the end of NIGHT, rescue groups seem to have the situation under some kind of control.
As time goes on, more and more dead start to rise. This is a combination of normal deaths, accidental deaths caused by Z-day panics (shooting, beatings, car crashes, etc) as well as bite related resurrections.
Kauffman realizes things are going bad and decides to start a plan to set up a defense in a city environment. He isn't the only one. Others are planning simular things in different places. Cleveland, for example. Kauffman also has thought of setting up alternative sites to live/run to if anything happens to Fiddler's Green.
Cholo: There's always that outpost in Cleveland
Kauffman: I've established outposts with food and supplies that will support us on our way. Anywhere that we want to go. Alternative sites have been chosen for us and our families... as well as necessary support personnel.
After a few months, rescue teams start to grow tired from the never ending uprising. Everything they are doing is just to keep the undead population in check. Rescue teams start to break up as some get bit here and there and others want to leave to protect their family. This causes the undead's numbers to rise with less human resistance. With more dead, the number of rescue members decline for the same reasons listed above. This tips the scales in the zombie's favor.
OCTOBER, 6 months post Z-day
Time frame based on events in DAWN and conversations in DAY
Rescue teams and organized resistance are more or less disolved. Society starts it's first serious breakdowns. Without an organized group to handle the Undead population, private citizens try to handle things themselves.
With society rapidly falling, the US Government sets up an emergency research base in an isolated part of Florida. Military personnel are assigned for protection.
Sarah: It was very rushed. This operation was put together in a matter of days.
NOVEMBER, 6 1/2-7 months post Z-day
Time frame based on calendar seen on wall during DAWN and situations in LAND
For 3 weeks things have spiraled out of control as private citizens don't have the ability to take the necessary steps to ensure proper desposal of the undead.
Example: The people in the apartment complex (DAWN) don't kill their dead loved ones, but instead lock them in the basement and empty apartments.
More and more people are walking away from their responsibilities to fend for themself, adding to the mayhem.
Example: Guard at TV station walking out. Stephen, Fran, Roger flying away in the helicopter
Kauffman hires a group of people to organize a force to go block to block, fighting the undead and setting up a barrier around a small section of the city. Once finished, attention is focused inward to clear out the remaining zombies inside their new safe haven. Kauffman slowly gets rid of people that would oppose him, ensuring HE is the top dog in the new city. He then gets things going training people to be on zombie watch over the city and double as his personal henchmen. A select few are allowed out of the city to get supplies from local towns... and in side projects, to get rid of evidence of Kauffman's dirty deeds.
Example: City seen in LAND
Some people have become criminals to survive.
Examples: Guys at the docks at the beginning of DAWN.
Looting biker gang at the Mall. However, could they be part of a group sent out by Kauffman?
MARCH 21st, 11 months post Z-day
Time frame based on calendars seen on wall
Society pretty much dead. A few hold outs here and there. Fortified outposts in Cleveland, Pittsburg and a few other cities here and there as well as a few looting gangs living from town to town and hidden government researchers.
Late OCTOBER, 2 years, 7 months post Z-day
Time frame based on calendar at the beginning of DAY and comparing day/date corilations with calendars seen in DAWN.
The Florida Military research group falls apart. Tension between scientists and the military soldiers assigned to watch over them grows when the officer in charge dies (Major Cooper), leaving the troops under the command of someone who is angry, homicidal and wants results NOW. Things finally errupt when Captain Rhodes (new guy in charge) kills a few scientiest and leaves the others to die in a zombie pit. Rhodes didn't like the lack of results and "TRAINING" a zombie to think. 1 person against the soldiers figures things are doomed and lets a flood of zombies in the base to finish everyone off. A few non-military personnel manage to escape the zombie pit, get to a helicopter and live out their days on an island. They don't know about city bases being set up as their radio equipment is extremely outdated and their side missions of rescue efforts hasn't gone more than 100 miles away from their base.
3 YEARS post Z-day
Time frame based on dialogue in LAND
Mechanic: The last car I drove out of this town was three years ago.
Cholo: How long have I been working for you? Three years? Taking out your garbage, cleaning up after you...
Raiding parties do business as usual when they go to a small town several miles outside of their main base of the barricaded city set up by Kauffman. They use fireworks to distract the zombies so they can maintain the looting with little resistance and keep up the city's way of life.
Unfortunately, zombies are starting to learn on their own, without help from scientists. This proves deadly as a group of zombies start to figure out where the looters came from and head there. They manage to figure out they can walk below a river that acts as a natural defense border for the human city. They also learn to ignore the fireworks distraction and slaughter a lot of people. Kauffman is killed during the invasion
A new group of people decide to rebuild and make things better and more equal. A small group decide to take the raiding party's main vehicle and escape to a less populated region up in Canada.
2 1/2 - 5 YEARS post Z-day
Time Frame based on Sarah's hand written calendar on the beach
Sarah, John and McDermott have been living a safe life ever since escaping the tyrany of Captain Rhodes and the zombie invasion of the Florida base.
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Post by UndeadNed on Oct 10, 2010 19:38:17 GMT -5
Nice diagrams fleshy. They seem to make sense to me. Interesting timeline, and definitely possible. I, however, don't like merging his newer Dead films into the established timeline. Diary and Survival don't belong with the other films... not just because they're not as good, but because stylistically they don't blend at all. I mean I can't honestly assume the events in Night took place at the same time as those in Diary... although I am well aware they both take place the first night. They're just obviously from different time periods and that overrides anything else to me. Despite the glaringly obvious differences in technology seen in his dead movies, I always assumed they were linked and in the same universe and timeline of a few years and we were just supposed to ignore the fact that NOTLD was clearly made in the 1960's and that a zombpocalypse in 1968 would seriously disrupt the world's ability to develop HD LCD monitors in the 2000's (as seen around Fiddlers Green and in Dead Reckoning). |
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Post by UndeadNed on Oct 10, 2010 19:47:40 GMT -5
Good find on IMDB Rhodes. I like it for the most part and agree with it except for the last part about Sarah and the others. I don't like the speculation that that much time had passed by. I never got the impression anything more then a few weeks or months had passed. I'll need to watch it again or if anyone has any stills or footage of that scene that'd be very handy for clarification.
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