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Post by Flesh Eater on Aug 10, 2008 23:28:23 GMT -5
You probably have the same set I just bought. Labeled "50 Horror Classics" has Frankenstein on the cover, but no movies containing such character.
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Post by tannerboyle on Aug 10, 2008 23:33:17 GMT -5
That's exactly it. ;D I don't think I watched anything else off of it, though. Do yourself a small favor--give the 50 Chilling Classics set a shot...if you can get it for 20 bones or less. Lots of decent '70s and '80s Grindhouse stuff in that one, like Virus and Drive In Massacre.
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Post by Flesh Eater on Aug 10, 2008 23:35:44 GMT -5
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Post by tannerboyle on Aug 10, 2008 23:38:15 GMT -5
Yep.
I like those packs because I can experiment with flicks that are usually unavailable for about 50 cents apiece.
Then, if I find one that I dig...I'll seek out a better copy.
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Post by Flesh Eater on Aug 10, 2008 23:40:08 GMT -5
No only that, but you build up a library of odd films that don't see the light of day.
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Post by The Dead Walk! on Aug 11, 2008 0:07:44 GMT -5
No offense, Tanner... but you're spouting off things as if they are facts. There's a big difference between an infected human being and a dead body that has reanimated. Surely you wouldn't liken a flesh eating ghoul to someone with say... AIDS? And you claim he ripped off The Last Man on Earth. While this may or may not be true, only he would know it for a fact, not any of us. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you're drawing your own conclusions and passing them off as irrefutable fact (or it seems like it at least). This entire post... Like I said--look at GAR's ghouls. When he ripped off LMOE, all he did was give us a modern update of the old vampire mythos. Until Lord Byron and Dr John Polidori updated the old vampire mythos to a "modern" setting in 1812 (creating what would become the "baroque vampire" with their character, "Lord Ruthven"), vampires really had more in common with GAR's ghouls than they did the suave mother-fuckers in capes that we all know and take for granted. Those creatures of ages past were rotting corpses that dug themselves out of their graves every night in search of blood. Now, back to LMOE. If you look at that flick closely, you can see just how much in influenced GAR...practically to the point of plagerism. In fact, with the grainy, black and white photography of shambling, white-faced ghouls....you could almost seemlessly edit parts of LMOE into NOTLD, and vice versa. GAR saw that, and simply took what we now know in science and applied it to vampires, creating his ghouls. In the old days, people thought that the heart was the most important organ. Now we know that it's the brain. Hence, a stake in the heart became a bullet to the head. Fire can kill anything. In the old days, people thought that a person's energy came from blood, and it was often called "life's blood"--that's why vamps drank it. GAR simply decided to go a step farther--to make it more gruesome, probably. He kept the whole "living dead" angle, and figured (wrongly) that rigor mortis would make his monsters stiff. And, he decided to ditch the whole "sunlight and holy relics" angle altogether. Hence, an all new take on an ages old monster gave us what we have now. ;D And, with the new stuff...they're taking it farther, and (sometimes) in different directions--all the while giving us zombies. ...is nothing more than your own speculation (the parts pertaining to Romero). I could just as easily make up my own theory on how Romero came up with the concept for NIGHT and pass it off as true, but I don't. Besides that fact, it was equally--if not more--John Russo who came up with the ghouls in NIGHT. I know this because I listened to both Romero and Russo with my own two ears in person talk about it. But that's neither here nor there.
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Post by tannerboyle on Aug 11, 2008 0:15:41 GMT -5
I'm merely participating in a discussion. I'm not shoving my shit down anybody's throat. Although from the body of my post you can tell that, unlike most fans, I thought my shit out. While I wouldn't compare a ghoul to an AIDS victim, there have been flicks and books that compare vampirism to just that. It's all in the eye of the beholder, and subject to someone's artistic interpretations. I think that the infected in 28 Days can and do fall into the zombie genre...especially from the apocalyptic angle. As I've said. They're simply a monster that we already know and love taken to another level...in another direction. Whether it's speculation or not--it makes sense. And is backed up with common sense. GAR has maintained, word for word, that he ripped off Matheson. It's in Fangoria. Read it. Look at LMOE, and tell me I'm wrong about what I'm saying. As for your entire post...it's almost like you're trying to refute what I'm saying just because it's me who's saying it. You're not addressing anything specific, you're just saying "That's your opinion." I made a good case with everything I've typed. Your response is a letdown, to say the least.
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Post by The Dead Walk! on Aug 11, 2008 10:47:21 GMT -5
Oh there's no doubt you've thought your shit out. I can see very clearly that you did. And I'm not just trying to refute everything you're saying just because it's you saying it... I clearly addressed what I had an opposing view on. I really don't see how my post was a "letdown"... since first off, I don't make posts to live up to the expectations of strangers... and two, I said what I wanted to say and was done. Here's what I intended to address in my last post... 1. That you're making speculative claims and talking about them as if they aren't speculation, but cold hard fact. 2. That the "rage virus" in 28 Days Later did not reanimate a dead body, so therefore it doesn't make people what most people would describe as a "zombie" (yes I know the word zombie can imply other things such as voodoo, but let's be real we all think of a zombie as a dead body that has risen). 3. That you're speculation on how GAR was influenced on NIGHT is solely your own. I've never seen anywhere else where it was stated that Romero ripped off The Last Man on Earth. I also wanted to make it clear that you MAY or MAY NOT be correct in that assumption, however I don't think it's right to pass off your opinion as fact. Just look at how you described it in your original post... looks like you got it from a book or something. 4. That it was Romero and Russo who decided on the concept of NIGHT, not Romero alone. I listened to them both say this in person. I never once said Romero wasn't influenced by Richard Matheson, so I don't know why you're reiterating that fact. I know he was influenced by I Am Legend... not only from reading old interviews in magazines, but because I also heard Romero say this why my own two ears. All I was saying is that you like to rip on Romero for "ripping off" shit when honestly I would say John Russo probably had more to do with the ghouls in NIGHT than anyone. I was never out to make a "good case" man... I don't come here to start debates and arguments and make up my own theories and pass them off as fact.
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Post by tannerboyle on Aug 11, 2008 12:20:45 GMT -5
I'll address your bullshit point by point.... You didn't really do that, though. You basically just said--"No it's not. You're passing off opinion as fact." You offered nothing more than that. If you're going to create a message board, you should be ready, willing, and able to do more than that. If you can't keep a conversation going, then this place is going to be just as dead as alot of the others we've both frequented. What are you? A fucking parrot? You're gonna have to do better than that, because I've already stated otherwise a long time ago. As I've already shown, the word "zombie" can mean alot of things. Just because GAR didn't do it first doesn't mean that someone can bring a new twist on the subject. In his own words, literally, he ripped off IAL. But, upon seeing the original version of LMOE, it's obvious where he got his shit from. I've gone over all of this before. I didn't get that from a book--I got it from doing something you're obviously unable to do, and that's be objective while watching films. Doubtful. According to "The Zombies That Ate Pittsburgh", GAR had the whole Anubis concept for years before him and his boys decided to sell out and shift their project from an art house flick to a monster movie (because they thought it would make more money). The story back then states that Russo was definitely the junior partner, and had more to do with dialogue 'n shit than he did the overall zombie concept. Since NOTLD is Russo's only brush with anything resembling success, I have no doubt that he'll tell anyone who'll listen that he was knee deep in the project, but his subsequent efforts have proven otherwise. But, it's funny that you do the old fanboy stand-by of blaming everybody else why GAR's shit is fucked up. ;D Polly want a cracker?
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Post by The Dead Walk! on Aug 11, 2008 13:40:37 GMT -5
Ok, maybe it's you who needs to stop sucking cock... namely your own.
I'm not going to sit here and do your infamous "point by point" shit where I quote small sections of a large body of text and then spin them to make me sound right and you sound wrong.
You're making this shit way more than it is. I just said stop fucking making shit up and acting like it's true.
Oh, and one last thing, why would Russo make the shit up while Romero was sitting right next to him, not only agreeing, but adding his own comments on the subject? Hmm.
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Post by tannerboyle on Aug 11, 2008 13:52:43 GMT -5
Diddle, diddle, dee.
Wubba, wubba, wubba.
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Post by Flesh Eater on Aug 11, 2008 20:58:09 GMT -5
In his own words, literally, he ripped off IAL. But, upon seeing the original version of LMOE, it's obvious where he got his shit from. I've gone over all of this before. I didn't get that from a book--I got it from doing something you're obviously unable to do, and that's be objective while watching films. Well, LMOE is based on IAL, so is Omega Man and the new IAL. It's possible that he got his ideas from the book, and didn't "rip off" the film. If he got his ideas from a book, magazines or other literature and later a film was made about such material, aren't they one in the same?
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Post by tannerboyle on Aug 11, 2008 22:48:45 GMT -5
Not necessarily. Dig out your copy of LMOE and watch it and you'll see what I'm talking about when I say that bits of LMOE could seamlessly be editted into NOTLD, and vice versa.
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Post by blackknight273 on Aug 11, 2008 23:03:41 GMT -5
I get the feeling this topic is going to be locked as well. Lets keep this friendly guys. Remember were horror fans here. It isnt like were Gangsta rappers getting dissed at the Essence Awards.
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Post by tannerboyle on Aug 11, 2008 23:08:13 GMT -5
Zombie fans breakdown fighting as the big-boys brawl!
Dan O'Bannon walks into the room at HorrorFind drunk, tells GAR he fucked Chris Romero, and slaps his glasses off.
The old man fires a square and a cup of coffee into his face, and jumps across the table.
Savini tries to join in and throws a Fango at Dan, but hits Zack Snyder by accident....who throws a roundhouse kick into Savini's face.
Savini flies into Fulci...who's there with Bruno Mattei. Since the wops stick together, they start to stomp Savini. Kyra Schon jumps on Fulci's back and pulls his hair.
What madness in zombietown! ;D
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